Welcome back to Create the Space with Cody Maher. Today, I’m excited to share a heartfelt conversation with Emily Race-Newmark—writer, mother, and community builder behind her podcast “This Is How We Care.” Emily and I dig into what it really means to rebuild the village in our modern world, moving beyond doing it all alone, especially as parents. We talk honestly about the challenges of creating real community—how vulnerable it can feel, what gets in the way, and why it’s so worth it. Emily shares her own journey from RV life to planting roots in Boulder, Colorado, and what she’s learned about building meaningful, nourishing connections along the way. We unpack her idea of “revillaging,” the deeper need for interdependence, and some practical ways to open yourself up to more support, care, and belonging. If you’re craving more connection and ready to rethink how you show up in your life and community, this episode is for you. Let’s create space for what matters most—together.
LINKS to connect with Emily
www.emilyrace.com - website for revillaging offers
https://emilycares.substack.com/ - substack
https://www.instagram.com/revillagingmama/ - instagram
https://www.thisishowwecare.com/ - podcast This is How We Care
Hi, we're back. How are you? How's summer? Are you listening during the summer? Well, it's summer right now when I'm speaking this, so happy summer. All right, today I have a beautiful, really thought provoking conversation, in my opinion, with the amazing Emily Reese Newmark. She is a partnered mama of two and a re villager who believes we can be the village again. Once a proud do it herselfer. Emily has surrendered through motherhood into the remembering of our interdependent nature. She now weaves her personal and professional experience to nourish others through their own revillaging journey. Emily plays with the many dimensions of self, joyfully moving from coach, mentor, facilitator, strategist, writer, visionary organizer, community builder, student, and teacher, to name a few, depending on what the space is calling for. She is also the host and producer of this Is how we Care, a podcast that amplifies visions of a world we want our kids to inherit. I really enjoyed this conversation. Like I said, it was super thought provoking for me. I definitely got some vulnerable moments. And yeah, I'm excited for you to hear it. So without further blabbering from yours truly, let's welcome Emily. Hi, Emily. Hey, Kody. How are you this morning? Oh, my gosh, life is full. Yeah, I'm looking outside at a beautiful willow tree and I'm in my office, which is also where I gave birth to my second daughter. So it's my real office. You know, it's where I do my work. Yeah, all sorts of work. That's incredible. And where are you in the world? I don't even know. Yeah, I'm in Boulder, Colorado, which is a relatively new home for us. We moved here about a year ago. Cool. Where did you grow up? I'm from Massachusetts, so I'm an east coaster. My husband's also from New Jersey, east coast. And then we, we met in California and did nomad living for two years in a van. So I've lunged all over. Wow. You and I have a lot in common because today as we speak, I was so excited for our conversation. And also we are packing for our first family van trip because we have a sprinter van that my husband and I, which is actually where my daughter was conceived that we like lived in for a little while and we just put a third seat in it and we're gonna take the two year old in the van and we'll see what happens. Gearing up to do that, like, moved out of our place in Santa Barbara, got a giant car to tow, an airstream Cause the van wasn't working with the kid and then got pregnant again. And I was like, I can't have a baby in an Airstream. I need to be in a home. Yes, I thought about it. Did you spend much time with your first in Van and Airstream Life? Unfortunately, we never did the third seat conversion, so we didn't. But, like, we've been nomadic in a different way, just kind of staying with friends and family and flying a lot. So she's used to a lot of. They're both used to a lot of travel. We just got back from Europe, and it's kind of been, like, a part of our family values to do this. Wow. Yeah. And, you know, audience. Hi. It might seem like Emily and I are just kind of shooting the shit right now, which is partially what we're doing, but it kind of is relevant to what we're gonna talk about today. Because I'm assuming that this. This is part of. You know, And I'll ask you in a minute. But, yeah, anyway, I'm just letting you know, like, there's a reason why I'm asking her. I mean, I ask people these questions all the time. But anyway, so, yeah. So tell me how you ended up settling in Boulder, which I think will be a good lead in to talking about what you're doing and where you come from. Yes. So what? So I want to segue that by saying. Or preface that by saying that when I had our first child, I was still very much attached to this, like, nomadic way of living. We were like, this is the best way to raise our children, is in the world and have them be, like, students of everywhere. And, you know, that's where we thrive. And then I had the very rough initiation that motherhood served up for me of realizing I need a village. And I didn't recognize that at first as the village. It was more like, I am failing at this, and I am suffering silently, and I don't know what to do. And so that kind of opened up this whole inquiry of, like, well, people talk about a village all the time. Like, what is that? What would that feel like? And again, I initially was committed to, like, we'll have a traveling village. We'll travel all over our villages, all over. But when I got pregnant with my second child, something in me shifted. My, like, gravity center shifted to where I was. Like, I really want to root down into one place. And I think in some ways, it was from learning that, yes, traveling will be a part of our village. However, like, there's something to be said for going deeper into one place, being connected not only to land, but, like, to the community that's there. And so my husband turned to me and said, where do you want to have this child? And I just. My intuition said, go to the mountains. So we picked Boulder. I've never been here. Wow. Just came here on a whim. And it really. It was like the perfect example of listening to your intuition and having it pay off. Because this place has held us and received us in community, has been, like, so easeful for me to build. And I can go more into, like, some of the ways I've approached that, but it has been the perfect landing spot for us. Yeah. I'm so excited to have this conversation. And I just want to have a little tangential moment about Boulder because I think there's something about that place. I had this. I've had a couple experiences in Boulder, but one of the ones that I'm thinking of is when I was. This is 20 years ago when I was in the circus world, and my friend and I, right around this time of year, on a whim, got in my brand new car. I was like 19 or something, and we drove from New York and we ended up in Boulder. And we had no intention of going to Boulder. And when we got there, it was just like we were doing some little street performing almost illegally on whatever that famous. What's that area? Pearl Street. Yeah, Pearl Street. Thank you. And, you know, the other buskers were like, hey, come to this free thing tonight. And then we went to this thing, and these people were like, you could spend the summer camping in our lawn. Like, it was very just like, I feel like Boulder does that. It just, like, it embraces you and somewhat calls you. Like, we had no intention of going, you know, and so it's really interesting that Boulder is the space and the place. Boulder, Colorado, people who don't live in the United States or do and don't know what we're talking about, but it's interesting to me, and I think we can get into that, that Boulder is where you're deciding to build not only this village of community, but also this work around this. Yeah, thanks for naming that. And I do feel my husband and I talk about this often. We're like, is it what we are doing and who we're being, or is it also the space that we find ourselves in where there's a lot of shared values and desire for the community? It's, like, almost easeful. Whereas we used to live in Los Angeles, it's just a different set of values. Not to say it's. I. One thing I firmly believe is we can create village anywhere. And part of this is related to where we were looking. Right. Like, for a while, I was like, we have to move to Hawaii or Costa Rica. I was like, had this idea that a village exists at. I don'. Like, communal island or something. And so one thing I'm learning is it really can be created anywhere. And that's something I'm very committed to helping people with. Okay, so let's get there, but let's back up. So tell me a little bit about you. Like, what did you start off interested in when you were younger? And then where did that lead? How did you get to where you are today? Oh, my gosh. So I've always been a writer, I think, since I was 7. I wrote my first book when I was 7 years old. It's never been published. Right. But that's like a foundational story of writing has been an outlet, a creative outlet for me, a way I make sense of my world. And I'm also used to play piano. Very, like, artistic, creative, and curious person. And when it came time to graduate high school and choose a career path, I initially chose music education and changed careers or changed paths quickly because I was like, I can't make money doing this because, hello, capitalism. The orientation to making money was, like, in the background. And so I switched to advertising, had, like, a nice stint climbing the corporate ladder in advertising, and then just, like, got completely burnt out and, you know, had. I think many of us have these moments, right? We're like, reset, like, I'm gonna stop this. And I worked at a restaurant and did yoga and all of that kind of spiritual awakening that came and ended up back in advertising, doing corporate coaching, leadership development, creating, like, basically workshops to help the people within the company thrive. So it was almost this way of like, I'm going to do some spiritual work in disguise here. Yeah. But it. But, you know, you know, it was like, I. And I can still, like, feed my ego and say, I work for this really cool agency. I work for Apple's advertising agency. And there was, like, a lot of my ego that was happy there. But when I became pregnant and, like, saw my future as a mother, as many of us do, I was like, wait a minute. This. Something's out of alignment. I believe motherhood will help me get realigned in this new chapter. And I actually just, like, went through a massive ego death and like, struggled and cried all the time and was like, who am I without my career? So I did nothing actually for a couple years. And um, it wasn't until my second child that I, that I realized like, I feel the fire to get back into coaching, but I don't want to. I'm done with corporate. I really want to focus on community building. That's what I have needed in my life in this chapter. And I feel like I have skills sets to offer. I'm very like strategic, creative, organizational focused. And these are all things that can lend themselves to community building and helping people find their place in that. So that's kind of like the short of how I got to this random new path. But it was a journey for sure. Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's a. I don't want to say common because not, you know, everyone's journey is unique, but it's a shared experience. Right. Of like all these things in our life and we start, yeah, whatever. I don't have to, you know, everybody can understand what I'm talking about without me saying it. And we can just jump in now, which is. This is so cool to me. Like, I know, you know, sometimes things just sort of resonate and I feel like what you're doing and let's talk about what you're doing. Right? Like, what does that even mean? Right. But yeah, let's start there because I have a lot to say about some other things, but let's start there. Like tell me exactly it is or you know, relatively, what is it that you're doing? Yeah, so the term I constantly refer to is re villaging. And Cody and I actually had a conversation where I just love you so much because you're like, tell me what that means. Because I feel like it means something to you that it may not land with others. And when I really. It's such a multi layered thing. But when I think of re villaging, it's yes, the act of creating a village, but it's really like this journey of returning home to our. How we were designed to live, you know, and you could look at that through the lens of how we were designed to parent, how our children were designed to be held in an attachment village, but also like how we were designed to care for one another as we age, as we come through these thresholds of initiation through like adolescence and motherhood and maturescence and beyond. Right. And then when I look at the earth, I'm like, yeah, the earth benefits. When we are in a village mindset, our economies become more multifaceted. We're not just Relying on one form of exchange. Like, there's so many things. Our health benefits from relationships. So that's really this. It's like a purpose that I found that I think we can all find a grounding in when we orient to a village mindset again. And so that's really what the revillaging path is about. It's so cool. I feel like it's so important, like, maybe the most important. You know, there's no. There's no way to say that. Right. But when you speak, I just feel it, because it's like, we all know we're effed right now. Right? Like, everyone knows that. There's no question that what's going on around us is very challenging. And, you know, one of my favorite people on this planet is Dr. Zach Bush. Do you know him? Yep. Yeah. And I really believe what he says. Like, if we don't sort of shift things, that we're probably not gonna be on Earth for very much longer in this. In this form. Right. Where the earth will survive. You know, it's funny, I'm just gonna say this. I feel like people are always like, oh, the earth, the Earth. It's like, yeah, yeah, the earth will be fine. It's actually us that's not gonna make it right. The earth will regenerate. But anyway, so with that in mind, I just think it's so important what you're doing, and I want to really deeply unravel this for everybody here so that they can really understand, because I have a lot of things coming up for me, and I'm sure that others will as well. So let's just talk briefly, like, let's break it down. Tell me what exactly a village is. Well, so I can answer that through my vision, and I distinguish that because in my work with people, and this is like my coach coming out, my inner coach coming out. But I always want to start with your. Your own personal vision for your village, because otherwise, we're kind of like referring to, like, oh, this is what they do in a different country, right? What they do in the olden days. And we have the modern modernity really to work with here. So for me, my. My vision of a village is intergenerational. It is centered in care. Care for ourselves, like one another and the earth, and, like, deeply rooted in a sense of interconnection. So then, from that place, we are not transactional beings. We are relational beings, and we find a sense of purpose in those relationships. And, yeah, like, our. The way that we relate is beyond just what do you do for work? Right? Like, who are you as a person? What do you want to learn? What do you have to offer? You know, how are you evolving? And I don't want to get too dark here, but I've really gone into a spiral recently because my husband is, like, obsessed with following the news around AI and as a mother, I just. I had some dark moments being like, what, like, now the crises are just compounding in my mind. I'm like, oh, my God, yes, there's benefits of AI, but, like, this could go really south quickly. Like, I just kind of spiral at times right about, like, looking at these multi layered crises of the world. As a mother being, like, what am I giving my children? And so I believe a village is like, the best thing I can give my children as, like, something for them to inherit. It's a way for them to relate to themselves in the world where they. Where they won't feel alone and they will feel like a sense of responsibility at the same time. So there's so much more I could say, but I hope that's like a helpful starting place. Such a helpful starting place. And yeah, I agree. And so I want to talk about how you, you know, because I'm assuming you didn't have a village your whole life. You didn't grow up in a village, right? You didn't mention that. Like, hey, I grew up in a village and now I'm carrying the torch, right? That was. Was that this is something that came to you as a calling and a prophecy, right? So how did you start ground zero creating your vision? And also, is this village primarily in person, or is it a blend of in person and online? How does that kind of work? Okay, where do I start? I mean, one of my first village visions was called the Woven Village. It was back when I was in Santa Barbara and I was like, I'm going to open my home to a bunch of other parents, caregivers, and their children. We're gonna cook meat, we're gonna batch cook meals together. Everyone will take home some food, the kids will play. Like, I had this kind of, like, fantasy of, oh, we'll just kind of village together as a. As a verb. Um, and I actually left that experimental gathering extremely burnt out because I was. Doing it all and with a lot to clean, I'm sure. Yeah, I just was like, it. I was still in an individual mindset, and I still hadn't yet, like, opened my nervous system to the true act of surrendering and receiving help. And, like, it was like, I have to control all these pieces. So this will be successful. Um, and so I just share that because I firmly believe in an experimental approach and with having fun with it and following, like, following. Where do you first feel called to start? Because you're gonna. You'll probably have some flops, but you're gonna learn so much. And then that's the fine tuning process. So just start with where it feels exciting because then you'll also be nourished versus, like, I have to, like, even though I felt burnt out, I was nourished by following something that was exciting, like that creative path. And so ground me back in your question. Yeah, of course. Just sort of like, you know, how you are building your village. How. You know, I think. I think what I'm getting at and we can get here is there's something in me when we talk about this that gets really shy and nervous. It's like, that sounds great. I'm gonna go hide in my corner for like a year. Because it seem vulnerable. Right. Like, to really invite people into your life in this different way. Not just friends. We're not talking about friends. We're not talking about family. We're talking about a village, and that's a very different word. So I think what I'm trying to get at is like a roundabout way of understanding how you opened yourself up energetically to this new idea of living. Yeah. And I'm glad you're naming that, because I'm still very much on the journey. Right. Like, this is a lifelong path. Yeah, of course. Committing to. And my nervous system has expanded. And like, I would say a couple months ago, so once we moved to Boulder, I shifted my mindset to be like, oh, villaging is not just being in online communities. I need to be rooted in place. I need to be more vulnerable. And I actually need to be in love with my neighbors, whoever they are. And so I share with you. I'm kind of like a socially awkward person. And so I'm like, am I really gonna knock on this person's door and, like, introduce myself? And I had to. I had to, like, challenge myself at times to do that. I invited the neighbors over for, like, a block party in our yard. And then I. I, like, would make, you know, just to continue the. The connection. Like, sometimes I'll make some extra food, like extra chocolate, homemade chocolates, and I drop them off. And I don't just leave it at the door. I knock on the door and say, hi, and. And I see this surprise in my neighbor's face when they're like, hello. Yeah, right. Are you selling me something? Are you a Jehovah's witness from 1995? Totally. And I, like, have my two little children in tow. I'm like, I come in peace. But I think, no, I did not grow up in a village, but there is something nostalgic here for me where I did grow up in a neighborhood where, like, my next door neighbor was the one that was there when my sister was born. Like, I went. She was in my mom's bed while my mom was in the hospital. So, like, I do. I do have this memory in my body of, like, what it felt like to belong to a neighborhood. And I realized, oh, just because you live next door to someone doesn't mean you're in a neighborhood. You're just, you know, sharing a zip code or a street. Neighborhood has to be cultivated through relationship. And looking at my children realizing, like, oh, that's on me actually, to do that. So it kind of. That. I think what I'm trying to point to is, like, I had to get connected to a bigger sense of why. And for me, that was at the end of the day, my kids and myself, but really them to then help me overcome that, like, nervousness of knocking on someone's door or whatever. The fear is that, like, they're gonna judge me for doing this. Yeah, it's big. It's like. I don't know. It's. I think. You know, you said this before. I think it's really a body and mind shift. Right. Because we grew up in a very, like, individual nuclear family. Forget even extended family. Right. Like, nuclear family sort of society. And so to go from that to this. Yeah. I'm assuming there's a lot. And I like that you're bringing it up, because now it's sort of. I'm understanding that it's more of a practice. Right. Like, it's not just. It's like a practice. It's like, you keep saying you've made this decision, this commitment to this lifestyle that you want to live and that you want to gift your children. And now you get to practice that and learn that along the way. Right. And then lead it others. So that's really cool. And with my kids. Right. Like, the practice is with them, which is also very helpful. Like, they're my accountability partner. And my daughter now, who's three. Like, she'll. Like, she'll be like, hey, can we make this. Can we make a card for Tirza or neighbor Tirza? I'm like, sure. Like, I already see the Seeds have been planted, and now she's kind of leading as well. And so that's kind of the hope, too, is you may be the one leading at the beginning, but then other people get inspired and reciprocate, hopefully. Amazing. Okay, so now we're gonna keep talking about all of this, but I'm curious how this went from a value that you felt you. You know. Cause I felt this too. Right. Like, I had this thing happen in my Life where in 2020, for various reasons, all of the friends that I had kind of shifted. Right? Like, I didn't. My husband and I both went through, like, this reckoning where just these people that were really our friends that we were seeing a lot of just disappeared from our lives. And while I still have some connection in, like, a loose way to some of those people, for the most part, not really. Like, most of them haven't even met my daughter, who's 2. And that was tough, right? Like, that was really tough because these were people that I'd been friends with for a really long time. I have a point. Oh, yeah. And then. And I. But I was kind of okay with it because I can also be kind of a loner, so I was just kind of living my life and being with my husband and whatever, and I had some friends online, et cetera, so that wasn't really like, a hole in my life that I was conscious of. And then when I had a baby, I was like, oh, shit. You know. Right. Like, there is something to that. And I joined a. You know, one thing led to another, and I ended up in this mother's group, and I met these women, and they were like a lifeline, like a total. I'm still friends with them now. And, you know, it's not that long, two years, but. So I do. I have a point still, guys. But I do think there is something to motherhood that calls us into this. So how did this go from Realize, like, a personal need to. Wow. This is actually an entrepreneurial concept. Well, just to touch on the motherhood piece. Yeah. I want to underline this because. And also, I have to say, like, none of this is just me in isolation coming up with this wisdom. Like, I, for one, am learning from many teachers who. And also, like, indigenous cultures, for example. Like, there's so many people collectively and individually, who have been living in this way for. For time immemorial. And now, of course, that I have learned from. And I had my own podcast for a while where I was really curious about, like, what does our world need Right now, it was called this is how we Care. And I interviewed visionaries, like, what does our world need, you know, in this moment of like layered crises? And the answer always kept coming back to community. So. So I do think, like, I had that in the background too, being like, oh, this is actually the single most important thing I could be doing if I'm like, limited in my bandwidth. And it serves me because as a mother, like early postpartum and as a mother in general, I am no longer able to play into the character of an independent person. I am extremely dependent and my child is dependent on me. And now that is completely at odds with this culture, like, facade, whatever, but yet all of us are actually dependent on one another. So I think that's why motherhood, because it's like we no longer can pretend to be independent. Yeah. You can't hide when there's someone like, attached to you 247 and you have to pee and all the things shower. I mean, I've learned how to do all of that pretty much with baby, but. No, I hear you. I think it's so, it's so, so true. It really is a. Is a earth shattering thing. And, and it's true, like, it's. There's. There's just so much to unpack around what we think, you know, like codependence has this bad name. And I think codependence is a thing. Sure. But we're not actually meant to be independent. We're meant to be. What's the word? Inter. Interdependent. Interdependent. Thank you. Yeah, so. So yeah, it's a big deal. It's a really big deal. And it kind of is confusing, I think, to just like. Because there's a lot of layers. Right. And I think that's what I was getting at on that call where I asked you that question. Because I'm so into this. And I think it's something that I really care about. And it also just really scares me. And it's just like, it's hard to open myself up to people in that way. Right. Like to open and it's happening. Like we moved to this place now. I'm rambling, guys, but just give me a minute. We're not gonna turn this into, like therapy for Cody. No, let's. I wanna hear why. Is it scary? No, I really wanna hear. Okay, let's talk about it. Cause this is, I'm sure, you know, people might be like, this might be a roadblock for someone to working with you. Right. Like, that sounds Nice, but absolutely not. I'm terrified. I don't even know. Some people probably won't even be able to name it. But I can name it, and I can tell you exactly why. Well, at least that I think so. We moved to this place in October, and it was just through our daughter. It was like, all of a sudden we had friends and we had these people that were in our lives, and who knows? I don't know. Relationships take time to develop, so I'm sure there'll be some that are deeper and others that we just, like, see in the market or whatever. But it's really been interesting to me because I think for me, there's like this. This pattern of, you know, when people really get to know me. Like I was saying in 2020, when people really get to know me, they're just gonna. Something. I'm gonna do something to offend them, and then they're gonna be off. Right. And so to be in a village with someone, it's like, that's so intimate. Right. Like, they need to know so many things about you. You need to be able to be open. I'm not saying you. I would feel like I needed to be able to be open in that way. So, yeah, tell me about this aspect. I'm kind of rambling, but I feel like you're kind of with me. So just, like, how does this come up in your work? Well, I'm with you and, like, on the verge of tears, honestly, because I relate to this. This fear of abandonment is so strong in me, and it comes up even though I'm, like, fully in this. Right. So I. I want to zoom out to say, like, one of the frameworks I've kind of clarified for myself and that I offer to other people is that revillaging kind of has these three branches or these three paths within it. And one is a creative path, one is a spiritual path, and one is a relational path. And to zoom in on the relational path for a moment, that looks like us coming back to what we desire in relationship, what we need from relationship, how we want to show up. But it looks like oftentimes sitting with, oh, my God, I had this friendship trauma, or I was. You know, these things happened to me, and now I don't trust people, or now I'm afraid to be myself. And, like, that's a very tender experience. So to answer part of your question, like, that is one reason why I feel like there's a role for me here in supporting other people, because it's kind of. It's a lot to hold on your own, especially if you're busy. You're like, it's just easier for me to not. But if we have a desire and a longing for something, like, can we gift ourselves the space to do what we need to do, move the things around, look at what we need to. I mean, I don't want to, like, always talk about It's a healing path. It's healing path, but there is healing that can take place there. So I don't know if that answers your question, but that's totally. Yeah. And I'd love to go into these branches, but just on that level too. I just said this is just coming up, and it feels a little random. I'm gonna say it. So one of the experiences again that I have as a human is when I'm around a lot of people or when I have people at my house, I really enjoy it and I'm happy and it's great or to whatever it is. But then I'm exhausted. Like, it's so. It's so tiring for me. Not even if just at my house, just in general, to socialize is really tiring. And I'm curious if that's something that you've experienced on this path or if you've seen shift. Like, is there something about not, you know, that the more you do this work and the more you sort of learn. I'm hoping and wondering if maybe your body kind of is able to relax in the presence of others more. Because I think for me, it's probably that I'm on and, like, performing, you know, and all those things. Yes. Well, that was what I was gonna ask you is, like, where at all are you feeling like you have to, like, where. Is there an inauthenticity for you? Yeah, I don't even know if it's inauthentic because I think I'm pretty good at just being who I am for the most part. I just think. I feel there's, like, a deep. A deep thing in me. And this isn't something that I think is bad. I just think it is that wants to entertain people. Like, I am a bored entertainer. Right. Once a circus gal, always a circus gal, you know? And I want to make people laugh and smile, and I want to be engaging, and I don't want to be, you know, bo. Boring or quiet or whatever those things that I think are bad are. Which is funny because I married, like, a very quiet person. But. Yeah. So I'm curious about that. Like, I'm curious if that's part of this path, too, of just kind of like, learning how to be together in ways that if you are someone that gets drained by a lot of interaction, that can be more nourishing and that can be more quiet, maybe, or whatever it is. Well, so thanks for kind of clarifying. It's not inauthentic. And what I'm hearing is kind of what you named, like, the performance. There's something to a part. There's a part of you that has found comfort in or has an identity attached to, like, the performer in a whole. And then if it's interesting when you mentioned that about your partner, because I'm like, I'm curious if that actually makes you feel like you need to hold even more, like, entertaining a lot of times. Yeah. Sometimes I make him promise. I'm like, can you promise me you're going to talk when we go? Because I'm too tired to do all the talking. Right. And so that would be something for you to not only look at, but, like. Because you're looking at it now, but, like, to. To play with and experiment with is like, what does it look like? And. And you would have to tell me, like, what would be a different way of showing up that you could experiment with? Like, how could you maybe reign, I don't know, rein back or what would you want that to look like? That would feel a little more nourishing. Yeah. I honestly don't know, because it ha. You know, I'll. I'm gonna give a little example and we're gonna move on, but I feel like this is probably helpful for people, but. Sure. So my auntana, my daughter and I go to this little class every Monday. It's super cute. It's a Waldorf class. The bread and all the things. And there's other moms that I'm friendly with, and they're there. And so it's just like a very chill. There's no pressure. We're all in this class. There's nothing to do. Right. But I often am, you know, I often am tired, and I often, like, my body will actually get hot. And when I have to talk to people, like, it's just. I don't know. I think it's something that's a little more physical for me in whatever way of just, like, it's a lot of energy or for whatever reason, I am exerting a lot of energy when I'm with other people. And so I think, like, my real. You know, and who knows why that is? But I think my Real question is I'm trying to get at like relationally. So this relational branch, right. Like through this revillaging process, I'm wondering if you've seen in your experience of yourself or your people you work with that something shifts in how you relate to other people. There we go. I got to. It took me a really long time. No, and I'm glad we got there this way because, you know, I'm obviously. My brain is always like, well, tell me where I want. I'm so curious. But we won't go there. We don't have to go there right now. However, I think, like, what I'll say just to kind of close your specific experience is like, I can relate to this in the sense that I have to practice being okay with silence and not leading sometimes. One of my revillaging experiments is called Moon School. It's a gathering with families that meets on the new moon and the full moon. And I'm in my facilitator mode often. And the most uncomfortable thing for me that I'm practicing because I want to create true village. It was like, I'm not going to always be the first one to jump in with something, but I'll sit in an awkward silence even if it's making my skin crawl. And so, like, that's my practice. So I think, I think, yeah, like, I absolutely have had to continually, continuously bring awareness to like, ooh, I am drained from that experience. Experience. What was draining about that? And how could I make a slight adjustment, you know, to like, try something different next time? And sometimes that looks like literally just calling myself out to people being like, hey guys, just so you know, like, this is hard for me. And that's like that act of vulnerability as well, that opens up more trust. So I think a lot of revillaging from a relationship standpoint is building trust. One that we can just show up as ourselves with each other and that will be received and that will be enough. And also that we can count on people to like, reciprocate that. Um, so yeah, that's where it's a path, right? Like it's going to evolve as. As long as you bring the self awareness. Which again is why if I'm. If I'm in a container with someone, I'm. I'm offering a mirror for that reflection, right? Yeah. Oh, that's so beautiful. And I just love that because I feel like there's also something about this, you know, stepping into this when you sort of make the decision, like, this is how I'm going To live. That changes the lens on everything, Right? So it's like you not or one not only commits to exploring how they're interacting with other people. Right. It's a commitment. And so that's really cool. And becomes sort of. Yeah, just a commitment. I'm curious now and I want to move on to the other branches because that's really cool that you define it in three branches. But just wrapping up this relational branch, how do you introduce it to other people? Right? Like, you've committed to this re villaging, but not everybody else maybe knows that. And so in these experiences or in your relationships, how do you sort of introduce that? Like, that's where you want. That's what you're doing and what you want people to be in with you. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, how do you introduce others into this? You mean in my own village? Yeah, in your own village or in your advice with your clients. Like, how do you let people know that you're re villaging? Yeah, it's. There's. It looks different ways at different times. Like with my neighbors. I've never said, like, hey, I'm re villaging. Right? Like, good morning, I'm re villaging. Here's some cookies. You know, Totally. Because that to me feels transactional for me. Yeah, of course. Right. And so, so one other piece about the revillaging path and framework. And like you said, it's kind of a commitment. It's just really. It's not about doing. It's about who you're being and having that show up. And so I think in who I'm being, I'm letting my neighbors know. Like, I'm available for connection. I'm available to stop. I don't have to rush past you and wave. Like, I actually would want to stop and be like, hey, how's it going? And so I think that alone, like now people are aware that, like, oh, Emily's available for this and I just have to share. Like my neighbor right next door. I mean, I could cry. Like, the reciprocity that's formed there where, like, I can. She lives alone. She's an. She's an. Oh, she's older than me. She's an older woman. She has grandkids. It's like I can tell how much of a difference I've made in her life by checking in on her, by letting her know I care. Like, she, she. The way that she's like, she called me other day. She's like, emily, I really love the sourdough you made Me. Can you teach me how to make sourdough? So we spent 12 hours, like, from 8am to 8pm making sourdough together, like, coming in and out of each other's homes. And she invited me into that because she knew I was available. That makes sense. Yeah. And that, you know, you kind of just answered a question, like, I'm curious about the ripples. And so. That's so beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that. And I'm sure there's other ways that you're seeing that happen. Are there any other ways that you want to share? Because I think that's such a cool thing to share. I mean, I feel it. So another highlight moment was a couple weeks ago. My mom was in town visiting, and we went for a walk from our house down the street to a playground. And on that walk, we, you know, kept running into neighbors and friends and other families. And in the quality of those interactions, it was like love. It was love. Like the hugs. Like, my daughter running up and hugging people. Like, everyone's stopping to slow down and be together. Like, there's no rush. And my mom said, you know, I'm. I still care so much what my mom thinks. Her acknowledgement of that was like, she just. She was in tears. She's like, I'm just so happy for what you've created and what you have here. And it's. It's one of those things that's hard to describe because that. Those moments took time and intention and commitment to showing up. But, like, listen, I still have my days where I'm like, I don't want to talk to anyone. Yeah. Or I just need to recharge. So it's not, like, about being this extrovert who's always out and, like, in actually ignoring what's true for you. Right. That would not be sustainable. No. And that would not be villagey either. I'm sure there's. Yeah. You know, moments of retreat. Oh, that's so beautiful. It's so exciting. Okay, so let's talk about the second branch. You said. Let's see. You said relational, spiritual, and creative. So let's go with spiritual. So spiritual is a fun one because, you know, I come from, like, a very religious background that I. A lot of people have this story where it's like our relationship to spiritual spirituality had to be reclaimed. So I just. I say that I'm assuming a lot of your listeners, maybe they already have reclaimed that piece. But for me, later in life, I really realized that, like, I wanted to get back into prayer. And prayer as a. As an act of speaking aloud, my gratitude and my desire and feeling in my body what it feels like to receive and trust that help is here and on its way. So how that relates to revillaging is kind of twofold. One, it literally puts us in the frequency and practice of receiving and getting out of, like, I have to do it all myself, which is, like, so critical. And two, and, like, connects us to something greater than ourselves and kind of that interconnection piece. But it also, like, from a sustainable, sustainability perspective, it's no longer a thing I have to do. It's a thing that I kind of, like, omit that I ask for and then let it show up. And so as a real example, I had moved here. I had spent a couple months, I want to say, trying to find community, talking to people at playgrounds, doing a lot of doing. And then I remembered, like, I need to pray. I, like, went to my. This tree in the yard with my daughter, and I scattered some rose petals that my husband had left over from Valentine's Day. And I was like, I just spoke aloud what I desired. And I spoke specifically to the type of friendships I And in mothers that I wanted to meet. And then, kid you not like a week later, I'm at the playground and that I met this kindred spirit who today, who to today is one of my core village people. She introduced me to so many people, and when I saw her and when the connection first happened, I knew it was the answer to the prayer. So it's like the prayer piece kind of preceded the knowing when it showed up. And so that's. I just. I love it because I feel like it just makes it so much easier to be honest. Yeah. And you hit on something big, I think, which is receiving. Right. Like, I think that that is obviously topical, but can be a little, like, superficial in that in certain places. And I think what we're talking about here is like a really deep safety, right. And that your spiritual life has to allow this deep safety to receive these desires. Right. Because if we don't feel safe to receive these desires, then it feels like a lot of effort. Right? It feels like. And it's probably more performative than it is, like, true. So, yeah, let's talk a little bit about this receiving piece. And also in motherhood, I feel like there's a thread here too, because that was hard for me also. Like, I, you know, I have people that have been listening to this know that I have a complicated health history and that, you know, a Lot of my adult life was really taking care of myself in this way. And when my daughter was born, it's like, oh, actually, I'm gonna need help with that. Right? Like, I can't. I can't do it all. You know, we talked about this already, but there's something in, like, you become both this immense one becomes both this immense doer as a mother, right. Because we're doing so much, but also, like, needing to be able to receive. And I think a lot of moms might be stuck in this place where they're feeling, you know, that. That. That burnout and not really able to receive nourishment in a way that is rejuvenating. So, yeah, again, a ramble. But, like, let's just talk about receiving. Thank you for sharing all of that. And, yeah, we could spend an hour talking about receiving what comes to mind for me. And I know this is not everyone's experience, but one. I am married, and in my relationship with my husband, you know, he is, like, such a provider. He wants to give me whatever I desire to the point where he's like, careful what you say, because I literally will get it for you. And then I changed my mind. I'm like, sorry, I don't want a boat. Sorry. Totally. But. But I have internalized a fear of asking when it comes to mothering specifically, I noticed early on that I was, like, afraid to ask for time. I was like, I'm afraid to ask for an hour to take some time for myself. I'm like, I'm burdening him because he has XYZ to do, and. And I kept bringing this to him, and he's like. I'm like, that's with you. Like, I don't have a pro. Every time you ask, I say yes. I'm like, I can't. So it was not just, like, the receiving of it. It was, like, the asking that I was struggling with, and it was in my own home, like, with the person that I had partnered with, you know? And so I say that because if that resonates with you at all, I feel like there's something to be played, experimented with in our own homes, first and foremost. Like, talk about safety. Like, hopefully you feel safe in your home, and hopefully that's, like, a nice place to play with some of these ideas versus asking a request of a neighbor that you're like, I don't even really know them yet. And so, yeah, I love. I love to bring awareness to, like, when does receiving. How does receiving feel for me? When does it Feel like there's a resistance there. And then, you know, somatically there has to be like a softening into that. And for me, it's just. It's just had come down to, like, I'm just gonna force myself to, like, build this muscle. That's like the only way. Because this is what's at stake. My health, you know, how I parent. Really, like, am I impatient with my daughter? It's because I haven't taken time for myself. So a hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love, you know, I think we're keep bringing it back to that this is a practice and that this is. And then so much of this stuff is. Right. I feel like we all want. Even if it's unconscious, we want the, like, 1, 2, 3, go, right? We want the do this, do this, this, and it's there, but it's most of the time, it's like, you know, the. The. The classic analogy. You can't just, like, go to the gym and stare at the weights and get stronger. Like, you actually have to pick them up. Right? And so multiple times, like, over and over again. I love that. I love the idea of this starting within your own home. And really, because I relate to that too. You know, sometimes I have to remind myself, like, that's her father. That's not like a babysitter. That's her father. You know, like, it is not like it is, you know, and we had my husband. I don't know about you. And yes, we understand in this podcast that everyone has all sorts of constellations in their family, and we're just talking from our own experience. So, you know, that's why we're speaking this way. But before we had our daughter, I remember having these conversations, like, worrying, is it all gonna be on me? And, like, am I gonna not have any time? You know? Cause I was 41 when I had my daughter, so I had a long time of, you know, plenty of time for myself, right? But there is this strange thing that happened for me of really just, like, feeling awkward about that or feeling like I didn't deserve it, or even recently, like, when my stepmom, her Nona was here, you know, we were gonna go to the museum, and I really was so tired, and I had to call Doug, my husband, and be like, is it okay that I just say, can you guys go by yourself so I can relax for a few hours? You know, it's just. And she's too. Right. It's just. I don't know what that is, but that's so interesting. So I think it's so helpful to just point that out and just name that and call that out for everyone else that is experiencing that as well, that, like, some of this practice, you can really start within your own home. Yeah. And it's. It's our cultural conditioning. So, like, I have so much compassion hearing. I mean, it's, like, easier to have compassion for someone else sometimes than I'm like, oh, right. And I have compassion for myself because, like, a lot of this is just insidious belief that I've picked up over the time. But, like, by bringing awareness to it, you know, and committing to the practice, like, anything, it can shift. Yeah. Especially for our kids. Right. Because it's for them, too. And personally. And this is the last, you know, last I'll say about all this, and then we can move to the creative branch, which is exciting. But my daughter's been going through. And this is a common theme, but it comes in waves, but she goes through these waves of just really 100% wanting me almost 100% of the time. And the older she gets, the more challenging that gets for me because she requires more and she's more vocal about it. Right. And. Yeah. But I also remind my. So it's this dance. Right. Because I want to be there for her anytime she really needs and wants me. And she's so little. And I want to teach her and show her that, you know, being a martyr and hurting your energy and yourself for someone else isn't really what I want to pass. Fast forward. So it's super complicated and complex and a practice and something we're not going to get right, you know, or. Or get partially right. Yeah. I. I'm brought back to this moment. I had a couple. I actually think I wrote about it or shared it on my Instagram, but it was like this moment I was having. I have a morning practice. I do. I, like, had to ask for that time, and I felt weird about receiving it, but I now do it right. It's. It's critical. 20 minutes. That's all. And as I was like, you know, wrapping up that practice, I was taking a sip of my cacao. I could hear my kids, you know, making noise. I don't even know what they were doing downstairs. And my whole nervous system was like, they need me. I need to go. I'm a bad mom. Like, all this stuff. And then I just, like, breathe. I just took a deep breath and allowed myself to, like, wait an extra moment. And. And that's like the nervous system piece Where I'm like, okay, I'm going to practice expanding my ability to just like be here even though this feels uncomfortable. And then I reminded myself like they actually are okay. Like they're with their father, they're in loving care. And this is my hope with the attachment village too is like it's not just the single point of failure on me and their father, but like who else who can love them and be there not from a transactional place, but a relational place so that I can like soften into time when I need it and know that like I am not the only one that can give her what she needs. Yeah. And that's really the biggest problem with our society currently is like we have, we've like conditioned mothers to think like you're the only one that can do this. And it's never been the way. Right. You know? Yeah. And it's, it's complicated too. Right. Because there is, there is nuance to that in that what you're saying, which is like the loving care piece and the, and the non transactional piece. Because there's a big difference between creating a village of caregivers that truly want to be with love, get to know your children and that that time is valuable for them too. Versus like, and there's nothing wrong with this. I am not saying there's anything wrong with this and I'm not judging this at all, but just dropping your kid off and being like, I gotta go, right? So it's complex and it's this dance because I know and I know, you know, how important these young years are. Like we're forming their whole lives, you know. So yeah, thank you for sharing that because I think it's important to just highlight again, this is really about this revillaging from my perspective and please correct me if I'm not accurate, but it's like a generational health thing, right? Like this can really change our mental and our physical health as moving forward. Because this is something that if our kids grow up in this way, they're going to think that it's normal and carry it forward. Yeah, for sure. And you know, I think of like my husband, for whom this is like something I have been leading and now he sees the benefits of it and he's such it like he has to do it himself, like he has to be the giver and it's so I think about men stereotypically and like how whatever. I don't need to go on that tangent. But I think the point is like it is so critical, like we see the mental health crisis that we're in right now and how a lot of it's tied to isolation and. And I think I'm really glad you're naming, like, the difference the nuance between an attachment village and that loving care versus versus, like, dropping your kids off. Because I struggle with this. I don't want to, like, make anyone wrong for their choices. I think a lot of us are truly in survival mode. Yeah. And we're also kind of. And this. This goes to the creative piece, so I'll get there. Like, we're kind of just, like, repeating what has been done. We're like, oh, this is the only option versus getting creative. And also sitting in that spiritual space of, like, what do I really want to receive? You know, right now? My kids at the start of this call were with their father, and then they. He handed them off to a woman named Mali who comes to our house. I found her on care.com, which is, like, where you would find, like, a nanny, but she's not a nanny. She is literally a person in our village who. I prayed for this person. When she showed up in our house and the way everything. The way she sat down with my kids and the way they went to her, I was like, this is the person I've been looking for. I feel like a kinship with her. Like, you know, there's like, more of, like, a friendship layer than, like, a transactional layer. And. And I have to say, the reason I got to this point is I was very adamant not to, like, give my hand my kids over to. I don't want to, like, say nannies are not bad, Right. But, like, I saw a lot of nannies in playgrounds sitting on their phones. With the kids play, Right. And it, like, burned a fire inside of me where I was like, I will never do that. What the fuck is going on? Like, I was really upset by it. Right? But then I'm like, but I'm not going to be a martyr where I'm like, well, I'm just going to have to stay with my kids all the time then. So really, in that sense, like, this village vision came from the place of, like, well, I do need. But I want to be intentional about what that looks like, and I want it to feel really good, and I want it to feel familial, even though my family doesn't live here. So, you know, that's really where that piece comes from. I 100% I've seen that, and I know that, and I am with you on that. And you know, we have a similar, A similar caregiver in our lives that like, thank God. Right. Because the other thing is when you're one is I always, I always want to stay in the eye when I'm burnt out and thinking about a million things. I can't give my daughter the attention that another person that isn't in that space can. Right. That has more capacity in that moment than I do. So, yeah, I think it's really beautiful to really spend some time. And I'm sure this is something you do with your clients, like building this vision of how are you going to. How are you going to be the best parent, the best human? And how can that be a supported, joyful, easeful experience? So I'm so glad we're talking about this and I'm aware that I'm keeping you for quite some time. So let's move to creativity and then we'll talk a little bit about what you, you know, like your offers and stuff and. Cool. Maybe we'll have to do part two. We'll see. I know, I'm sorry. I love talking about this. No, no, no. I'm the rambler, that's for sure. Okay, so creativity is pretty much what we're speaking to, right? Like, it's the visionary, the dreamer, the part of us that in many ways we've shut down, potentially we've shut it down, been conditioned to like shut that off. And so I love this because this is where re vilging is nourishing us, not just spiritually and relationally, but now to like, connect with our inherent creative selves and to remember that, like, we do not have to subscribe to something just because that's status quo. We can actually create what we want. And if we're going to create a new world, if we want to see something different, which creating a village is, is oftentimes different from what we're experiencing, we need to be tapped into our creative power. I do think that, like, creativity is also the almost antithesis of being in survival mode. And so for me, I was doing like breath work last night, for example. Just take a sip of water. Yeah, take your time. So I was doing breath work last night, for example, listening to it as I nurse my child to sleep. That's how I often do these things. It's not like only same. Yeah, right. Habit stacking or whatever. And it actually helped her fall asleep quicker because my nervous system relaxed and I just like, was in that more expansive place. And then the vision comes through. So, you know, part of that work is like, how can we nourish ourselves even if we only have five minutes? Or we have to stack it with something else so that we can get into a, like a receptive space again to receive what we desire, what our vision is. And people have varying levels of like. I have definitely worked with people who are like, I cannot connect to my vision at all. So we just start small and then vision is something that evolves. So as you experiment and play with things and this is the creative process, you are now like, oh, I'm going to try this next time and try this. And I'm going to co create over here with this person. I'm going to include this person in the process. And another aspect of creativity is kind of what I mentioned before, like, finding creativity in the village itself. So one way I connect with my neighbors is when I make. I want to experiment with making different things from scratch. Like, I'm like, committed to making more food. Not in the package, but ourselves. So then there's like this bigger. Why? Because I'm like, oh, well, if I make extra bone broth, then I can drop off some jars at my neighbors. They're like, surprised and delighted to receive this. We have something to talk about that's not like gossipy or whatever. And I'm connecting to my creativity by creating this thing and inspiring that in others. So that's kind of how I've that these three branches are. They came to me because this is how I was discovering. Yeah. You know, I love that and I love. Oh, it just float in my head. Oh, yeah. I love the piece of not. You know, man, the other thing that I think motherhood really does, or at least has done for me is. Has made me so surprisingly aware of my conditioning because all of a sudden these things will come out of my mouth and I'm like, who said that? Like, not like who just said that to my daughter was. It wasn't me. Right. So I love this just expansion of like, no, no, no. I get to stop and take a moment and really think and create the life that I want to create. Right. So that's really beautiful. Okay, let's talk a little bit and then we'll wrap it up. But let's talk a little bit about the practicalities. So what is. I want people to sort of understand because I feel like we've got given them a pretty decent exposure to what this concept is. But let's talk about, like, what it would look like to work with you and what are some of the things you have going on. So I'm. I am always listening and then shifting my offerings based on what I'm hearing. I think there's, you know, the first thing I led with is this one on one container that I create with people. And it takes us kind of through these three pieces over time. And I also, you know, we start with vision, but then I layer in the strategic and kind of like help you create a roadmap, so to speak, that feels really good so that you're like, oh, these are some tangible actions. I can take that ladder up to my vision. And I'm excited to try them. And like, I feel clear on where to focus my energy, basically my limited resources and how to grow those resources. So. So that's like a one on one container. But then I'm also very much like there's so much coming through me that's gonna evolve over time, but like creating group offerings. So one of my clients was like, I want to do this work with my other like village member seedlings of village members, like my friends who want this too. So that could look like a facilitation of like co creating a vision together and then like identifying what's our. Each of our roles. And then I also have other resources that I'm continuing to kind of build out and share. So one that we can link is this revillaging playbook. It's a free kind of like eBook, 21 page guide full of prompts and things for you to reflect on on your own time. You could do that. You know, I like to say follow the pace of your nervous system and just like dive into these questions. Because a lot of this is self reflection. So those are some examples. And I do have a vision of creating a group cohort probably in. In the next year where like we can go through this process together. Because I love like when we can reflect off each other what we're doing and trying. It's really inspiring. Yeah. And I feel like. I feel like the calling itself, like you said in the beginning, will just continue to evolve because the more. Yeah. The more you work with people and see what happens, I just feel like. I feel like it's just gonna keep deepening and widening. Right. And villaging itself. Like it's a self villaging mission. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Oh, Emily, thank you so much. I feel like you've answered this question already, but I'm going to ask it anyway. So what in your life currently are you creating the space for? Whoo. Well, yes, definitely making space for a village. I will Say this is like a home related answer. So we are in a time of transition. We. It's been tough. I'm grieving, leaving this home because it's my home. Oh, you're leaving your home? Yeah, we're moving one street over. Okay. And this is actually a funny story. So I kind of felt intuitively like our time here is gonna end because we're renting this home and like you're kind of at the whim of the landlord. But I am so rooted in this community, in this particular neighborhood. I'm like, I do not want to leave. It's like the perfect spot. So I walked around the neighborhood leaving muffins in a note for all the neighbors that like, neighbors I haven't met, like one street over, two street over, but I walk past their house all the time. And I just shared like, this is going out on a limb. But like, this is who we are, this is what we're looking for. If you ever think of leaving, please let me know. And a man responded. He's like, hey, Emily, you know, I'm going to be an empty nester later this, later this year. My wife passed away 10 years ago. I don't need this big home. I would love to hand it on to a family, a young family. Come over, let's chat. So we're actually like in the process of buying his home. You know, he's holding the mortgage. It's like these kind of like crazy situation. That was a relational, a relational, not transactional, relational thing that happened coming from my inner villager. Like, that's how I, that's how I got creative and thought of a solution to our. What we want. And so that's what I'm making space for is like making space for a home that we can own, that we can continue to deepen roots in, continue to host and, you know, connect with the land. And I'm really, I'm just praying for a really easeful transition for us. Yeah. Yeah. That's so, so beautiful. And what kind of muffins were they? They were, I want to say they were like gluten free zucchini muffins. Yum, yum. I just had to know, I had to know what magical muffin brought you to your house. Well, thank you so much. So everybody, I will put a bunch of links in the show notes and the best. What's the best place to connect with you? Just say it. So, I mean, it'll be in the show notes, but for people that are like more auditory, where's the best place. Is it like a newsletter or. I know you're sort of in and out of social media. I do have an Instagram. I don't love Instagram, but you could find me there. I do love writing. So I have a substack. A substack? Yeah, a substack. And a newsletter. The newsletter is more focused. Focused on like how can we work together and with some stories. And the substack is mostly my reflections on mothering and re villaging. Yeah, I love your substack and yeah, so awesome. Thank you, Emily, so much. I will put all of that in the show notes and I will. Well, we'll say goodbye in a minute, but I will see all of you guys later. Bye. Thanks for making space for me, Cody. Always. Hi friends. Thank you so much for being here and thank you for listening all the way through to this moment with just you and. And I hope you connect with Emily and dig into all the content that she's sharing. Her brand new website, if you're listening in real time, and all of her amazing offers. Ah, yes, I loved that conversation. Anyway, so I'm gonna tell you today about something that I've got coming up. So I am creating a new track per se, a new way to work with me. This is something that I have. You know, those things in your life that everyone is always pointing you toward and you're kind of like, yeah, but no. Or in my mind it was like, yeah, why would I do that? Because you can just find that information in a million different other places. But recently a new friend shared the same thing, like, why don't you do this? And I heard it this time and I said, yeah, I'm gonna do that because the signs keep being clear. And I am one to follow the signs when I'm not being so thick headed. Anyway, all that to say I have created and it will be coming out very soon. A clean living guide for conscious mothers. Now, this is not just for mothers. The reason that I am entitling that is because there is a lot of information about stuff to do with children and babies. Not, you know, maybe like 20%, so I guess that's not that much. But anyway, it's a distilled guide to all the key areas of your home to look at when it comes to the products you're using if you want to start reducing the toxic load of your environment. So this is not about being perfect or never eating a bag of chips or never lighting a candle or not having plants in your house. I know that's a big trend in the like no mold community. But I wanted to give you guys my experience and the products that I use and trust because I am asked over and over again all the time, Cody, what do you use for this? Cody, what do you use for that? And I love recommending things and I also love doing the research. And I know not many of you want to do the research or have the time to do the research. So I did all the research for you already over the last however many years, decades. And I've compiled it into a very distilled, very short, no overwhelm guide that goes into the key areas like cleaning, laundry, food, supplements. What else? There's a whole lots of stuff there, clothes, gear. Anyway, and it's going to come out really soon. And yeah, I'm excited to share that with you. It's going to be an incredibly affordable price. Really affordable, under $10. So there's no link to put in the show notes right now, but maybe there will be and then in the future me can go back and put the link here. So depending on when you're listening to this, it's it's currently late July of 2025. So if you're perhaps in the fall of 2025 when you're listening to this, there might indeed be a link in the show notes to get your Clean living guide. But anyway, I'm really excited about this avenue. It's something again that I'm really passionate about. And it's, you know, feng shui is included, let's put it that way. I've organized the guide by the elements, so I will never abandon feng shui. It is who I am. It is the life I live and not who I am. I mean, that's ridiculous to say, but it is the lifestyle that I live that's more accurate and it's wrapped in there. So anyway, here's to some cleaner spaces. Not perfection, guys. Not perfect, just cleaner. I hope you have a beautiful rest of your summer. If I don't speak to you before then and come find me on Instagram, let's hang out. Okay, talk to you soon. Bye. | 00:00:00.880 - 01:04:02.080