What if your body knew something before any test could find it? In this episode of the Create the Space Podcast, Cody Maher reconnects with longtime friend Cindy Ryan for a raw, honest conversation about intuition, triple negative breast cancer, and the deep transformation that followed. Cindy had no lump, no family history of breast cancer, and had never had a mammogram, yet she knew intuitively that something was wrong. By following that nudge, she caught one of the rarest forms of breast cancer before it spread. She shares what the diagnosis taught her, why she put her house up for sale the same day she found out, and how moving from a 3,000 square foot house to an 800 square foot apartment brought her more calm than ever. Cody and Cindy also revisit what Cindy found when she looked under her bed, and how clearing the "history of heaviness" she was sleeping on shifted the energy in her life. Cindy also talks about turning her life story into a stage play, writing 50 letters to her children, telling her teenagers about her diagnosis, and healing the witch wound, bitch wound and whore wound through her new course, The Bliss Channel. In this episode, Cody and Cindy discuss: - What Cindy found under her bed and how clearing it changed her life - How Cindy trusted her intuition to find triple negative breast cancer early - Why she calls her cancer journey "the ugly gift" - Downsizing her home and choosing calm over square footage - Sitting with pain as a way to release past trauma - Turning pain into art with her play, My Story So Far - Why so many people describe cancer as a transformative experience - Going from people pleaser to putting herself first - How to talk to teenagers honestly about a cancer diagnosis - Why self trust matters more than spiritual titles - Healing the witch wound, bitch wound and whore wound - Feng Shui Period 9 and the rise of the middle aged woman
Cindy Ryan is a mom, daughter, energy teacher and spiritual guide. She works with large organizations and leadership teams, helping people read the energy dynamics inside a team and learn to regulate within it. She is a Usui Reiki Master who teaches all four levels, and she is in a two-year course of study to deepen her own practice. She is also a detachment therapist and divorce coach.
Her life has been her greatest teacher. Divorce, chronic pain, leaving a career she spent nearly two decades building and, most recently, beating breast cancer taught her that wisdom comes from living. Her work rests on one belief: mindfulness lives in how we choose to show up, moment by moment. Her two nearly grown boys have taught her the most about resilience and love.
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CHAPTER MARKERS
00:00 Welcome Cindy Ryan to Create the Space
01:43 Feng Shui Under the Bed: Clearing the History of Heaviness
04:28 Who Is Cindy Ryan? Mystic, Priestess Training and Ceremonies
06:42 Trusting Your Intuition With No Lump on the Mammogram
08:43 Triple Negative Breast Cancer Diagnosis and Chemo
10:05 The Ugly Gift: Energy Healing and Downsizing Her Home
11:48 Releasing Past Trauma Through Physical Pain
14:36 My Story So Far: Turning Pain Into a Play
18:10 A Funeral Letter and 50 Letters to Her Children
21:11 Crying, Release and Is Cancer a Gift?
23:21 "I Can't Promise You Anything": What Truly Matters
25:39 From People Pleaser to Putting Herself First
27:47 Talking to Teenagers About Breast Cancer
30:22 Work With Cindy: Energy Training and The Bliss Channel
32:21 Spiritual Titles vs Simple Healing Tools
36:03 Where Should Your Altar Go? Building Self Trust
38:30 Healing the Witch Wound, Bitch Wound and Whore Wound
41:26 Feng Shui Period 9 and the Rise of the Middle Aged Woman
43:15 Closing Reflections
45:00 5 Feng Shui Tips for Life Transitions
Cody: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome back to Create the Space. So today I am so excited to introduce my friend and guest, Cindy Ryan. Cindy is an amazing human being, and she and I share something, which is that we have really lived what we are sharing in this world. She says her life has been her greatest teacher. She's navigated divorce, chronic pain, choosing to leave a career she built for nearly two decades, and most recently winning a battle with breast cancer.
Cody: These experiences have shown her that wisdom isn't earned in a classroom and that life is the best university. I really relate to Cindy on that, and in this conversation, we are going into the raw, gritty details of everything she's experienced with her recent battle with breast cancer and where she is today.
Cody: So please join me in giving Cindy a big, warm Create the Space welcome. Welcome, Cindy. I'm so happy you're [00:01:00] here.
Cody: Hi, Cindy
Cody: Hi. How are you? Good. So I just got on the... I saw Cindy on the screen and I was like, "Oh my gosh, there's so many things I wanna ask her and talk to her about." And I said, "You know what? We're just gonna hit record," so you guys are getting the real raw... We've known each other for a hot minute now, but it's been a while- since we connected this way,
Cody: I'm so happy to connect with you
Cody: everybody gets to witness this reconnection. I know. I know.
Cindy: And I just, I always feel It's Cody. Cody has been- ... on the podcast a few times. It's a little update for the two of us. I think I- I've been on yours as well.
Cindy: Yes. And I know
Cody: You've been in
Cody: circle of space for so long.
Cindy: Yes ... since I was on my very first podcast, is how we actually connected. That's right. That's absolutely true.
Cody: and
Cody: there's a story that I always tell of yours, which is how you had some things under your bed, and we had- Yeah
Cody: a conversation, and you cleared them, and something pretty special happened, right? Yeah.
Cindy: I do take in all of
Cindy: the things you [00:02:00] share,
Cindy: the words,
Cindy: in, in all
Cindy: the ways you've shifted in your life. I, we did talk about one time,
Cindy: just about
Cindy: check under your bed and see what you're sleeping on.
Cindy: And I was like, "Oh," 'cause I tr- really try to look at my, the whole of my space and h- the value it's got.
Cindy: But I hadn't looked under my bed.
Cindy: And when I looked under my bed, I was like- Oh my gosh, I am sleeping on the history of heaviness.
Cindy: and here is my ex-mother-in-law's old computer. Oh my God. Like the amount of data that I was- carrying was so huge, and diary entries of grief that I was carrying. And I just went under there, and like the energy I could feel that just shifted was massive. And then I started going through my drawers and started going through everything, and,
Cindy: everything lifted. And in fact, I no longer live in [00:03:00] that house.
Cindy: That was a burden... burden and positive, but
Cody: that whole changing from moving under that bed allowed a lot to actually lift. It's so interesting. Yeah, I always share that story because I just thought it was sometimes feng shui's not a vending machine. We know that. Nothing that we do, your work is the same, like nothing is just like X plus Y equals Z.
Cody: But occasionally there are these moments that are really helpful for people to hear because there are these moments where things align, and you do one thing, and there's a very clear result, and it's just really cool when that does happen. Yeah.
Cody: you notice it right away where you're- Right
Cindy: suddenly all these things started going like poof. Poof. It, yeah. I know. Yeah, the job started coming... everything. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, I feel that way about homeopathy. It's like it's this energetic medicine, right? And sometimes you take it and it, maybe it helps. We're not sure, but things clear, and you're like, "Great."
Cindy: And then I remember I had mastitis when I had my early days of my daughter, and
Cindy: I took this [00:04:00] remedy, and it was like boom. It was like took it, fever gone, recovered. Like very fast.
Cindy: it's just so interesting how sometimes... it's such an interesting place to start, right? Because sometimes you just can hit on that thing that kinda unlocks something- Yeah
Cindy: whether it's physical, or whether it's mental, or whether it's in your space. And
Cindy: yeah, we never know when that little moment will happen.
Cody: I know. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we dove right in. But Cindy's been on the podcast, so you can go back and listen. But I still wanna let people know the basic information, my dear, who you are, where are you.
Cody: Tell me, just catch me up a little bit about everything you're doing. Yeah. It's so interesting 'cause,
Cindy: who I am compared to who I was, ... the essence of me has shifted so much.
Cindy: I am Cindy. I am in North Vancouver in Canada, and
Cindy: I am a mystic. I am working on,
Cindy: my priestess training at the moment.
Cody: Ooh.
Cindy: yes, so I [00:05:00] am in a deep two-year study right now on learning a lot of,
Cindy: what I had been carrying,
Cindy: to offer ceremonies for people.
Cindy: I
Cindy: ceremonies right now, but I'm doing,
Cindy: partnerships, weddings, end-of-life ceremonies,
Cindy: Rich learning of,
Cindy: life before patriarchy, but also what we carry while we're in life in patriarchy.
Cindy: So that's part of what I am doing now. I'm also doing a lot of rest. I'm doing a lot of pause.
Cody: I'm doing a lot of noticing. That's who I am. Wow. I feel like I wish I had the technology to quickly and easily go back and listen to your original intro, because I feel like your energetic being is very different than, what was it, 2021?
Cody: It, I don't even... It might have been 2020.
Cody: I don't know. I think it was 2021, 'cause I started this podcast in... I started this p- no, it was 2022, 'cause I started this podcast in 2022, so it was four years ago. And would you like to share anything about this [00:06:00] transformation that has occurred?
Cody: You're still obviously the same person, but there is a very different energy about you. Yeah.
Cindy: It actually is related to the shifting under the bed,
Cindy: which I think is a really important part,
Cindy: and how when you even said it doesn't all happen all at once, and it is a line.
Cindy: because what happened after that was I received,
Cindy: a beautiful offering.
Cindy: I went into a beautiful space of a new career, thought this was going to be,
Cindy: a lifelong goal, all the things.
Cindy: And it was all meant to be. And,
Cindy: then suddenly my life was halted,
Cindy: because I,
Cindy: received a nudge I didn't have a lump. I didn't have anything. Yeah. I got breast cancer. So again,
Cindy: an interesting story,
Cindy: because I really had to pay attention to my intuition.
Cindy: A lot of people would've been like, "That's crazy. Just a thought in your head." But I followed it. In the words of Cody, had to trust my own agency of my body because no lump showed up [00:07:00] on any
Cindy: mammogram. I never actually had a mammogram in my life. I have no breast cancer in my family,
Cindy: but I knew intuitively that I had breast cancer.
Cindy: Wow. So luckily, my doctor knows me well enough.
Cindy: I had skin cancer in my past when they had said I didn't, and I followed it, and they realized that I was right, and they had gotten rid of it. And so again,
Cindy: they said, "Let's follow this, follow the path." And sure enough, they did a scan with me.
Cindy: They did a biopsy.
Cindy: It came back,
Cindy: non-cancerous. And so they'd said, "You know what? Let's follow this up,
Cindy: and just get rid of..." 'Cause... Sorry, I should follow up. There was this small, little, tiny lump that they could see. They said, "We have no idea how you found that."
Cindy: it's like a little pea.
Cindy: And I said
Cindy: I got a nudge."
Cindy: And they said, "Okay, we're gonna do a biopsy."
Cindy: this whole thing of this was quite incredible, and they said, "Based on where it is, we need to do it just because [00:08:00] it may lead to something long term,
Cindy: and we're gonna do a mammogram for you." And I said, "Okay, great." Never had one.
Cindy: Ouch. And they did the biopsy.
Cindy: It came back non-cancerous, and,
Cindy: my doctor called and said, "I'm still gonna connect you to a surgeon." Here in Canada, I don't know what it's like in the States, it is very hard to meet with a surgeon. It's hard to get in. So the fact that this was all being lined up for me was quite Lovely.
Cindy: and then within two to three months, I actually started feeling a lump- in a different location. The surgeon called and said, "I'm actually calling about the mammogram."
Cindy: And I said, "Oh we heard it was non-cancerous, so thank you so much." And he said, "No, it's about the shadow I see on your mammogram."
Cindy: And I said, "Oh, okay." And he said, "Yeah, we need to get you in." I said I feel like it's actually becoming a lump."
Cindy: And he said, "We need you in now." [00:09:00] And so they called me in again.
Cindy: within two weeks I had another biopsy. They said,
Cindy: Yeah, that's grown to five centimeters."
Cindy: They rushed me in. I started chemo within two weeks. I had what's called triple negative, one of the,
Cindy: rarest forms of breast cancer.
Cindy: They'd said if I had waited any longer, it would have moved, metastasized.
Cindy: It could have gone to my bones and my brain.
Cindy: And I wouldn't be here. So once again,
Cindy: it was a very hard time, but that,
Cindy: they thought I was gonna need radiation. I did have a double mastectomy,
Cindy: but what they had estimated was going to be a much longer cycle, by round one of my chemo, the five-centimeter tumor was gone.
Cindy: They still can't believe how fast it arrived, how fast it left. And,
Cindy: I do know that science is very important, but I called in
Cindy: all of my energy practitioners who've worked with me. We did energy healing every single [00:10:00] day, three times a day, and I call it the ugly gift because the same day I found out, I saw every stress in my life, including my house.
Cindy: I put it up for sale- Yeah ... the same day I found out,
Cindy: and I transformed every piece of my life- ... bit by bit. And like you say, most people say now, I'm not the same person I was, and it's crazy because I'm so grateful for it
Cindy: I still
Cindy: recognize there's hard days and grief from it,
Cindy: but
Cindy: I have to slow down
Cindy: so that I stay in the place of acknowledging my body, acknowledging the calm.
Cindy: I went from a 3,000 square foot house to an 800 square foot apartment, and I have never been so calm in my whole life. It forces you to go outside. It forces you to be in the [00:11:00] air, the wind, the trees. That's the wild space that I've been in, and,
Cindy: m- everything shifted. Wow.
Cody: Yeah, there is just this palpable shift of a deepening of a womanhood it feels to me.
Cody: I just feel so much,
Cody: feminine energy coming through with you. It's
Cody: You always had that, right? But different. It's different. It's deeper and
Cody: I don't know. I don't know what the word is. But thank you so much, Cindy, for sharing all that. It's so beautiful, and
Cody: I can, as relate to the lessons that come through the physical.
Cody: I'm still learning so many of them. And I know that this big physical experience wasn't the first you had, and so I'm so curious if you've spent any time in contemplation or in just being with, like- Is there a thread in your life of things like that,
Cody: Do you have any thoughts around that?
Cody: Like
Cody: I don't even know how to ask this question, but I think you're gonna get it,
Cody: that it seems like this lifetime, and
Cody: I'm asking because I can relate, like that there's some [00:12:00] physical lessons that need to come through. Yeah. It's interesting.
Cindy: while I was in it, I, and
Cindy: I know you can relate,
Cindy: I had...
Cindy: And then I'll go to what happened after.
Cindy: I had this two to three week window which was excruciatingly painful. And to explain the pain, it- they warned you "It's gonna be painful. It's gonna be hard."
Cindy: There were just these three weeks which some of the things that I went through, and I know others who've gone through it, your thoughts go to quite dark places, and I feel it's important to share it so people know that is normal.
Cindy: Your thoughts there are normal thoughts, 'cause what your body is processing is not rational,
Cindy: and the pain you're feeling is not rational, and you just want it to be done. And they had put me on painkillers, but the [00:13:00] painkillers weren't working. And so I remember sitting with myself and saying, "There's a reason I'm supposed to sit in this."
Cindy: And I had sat in a tub because that was where I could get a little bit of relief, and I thought my body is, m- and this is just the way I looked at it.
Cindy: My body is releasing past trauma. And I am going to honor it And so for hours I would sit in this space and allow the pain to be with me, and a moment would come up and I would uncomfortably hug it and then let it go, and be with another, and be with another.
Cindy: And it was an interesting place of me being with the sides of a river and then allowing the river to flow. [00:14:00] And,
Cindy: then what happened when that time passed was
Cindy: I realized I need to share my whole story out because there has been
Cindy: so many lessons.
Cindy: So I created a play. Yes. I can't- And- I'm so glad you brought that up.
Cody: I wanted to ask you about that ... yes, so then I realized, because it hasn't just been one thing, there have been all of these different,
Cindy: just lessons. Lessons, yeah. And so I created and I went back to when I was a child
Cindy: it wasn't a very sad, dramatic, two-hour play of Cindy's gonna share every sad thing that happened.
Cindy: But it was... I called it
Cindy: My Story So Far, and it was me walking through the doors of my life. Presented like a fairy tale, but
Cindy: I also shared,
Cindy: some of the hard things as well as the good things, and at the end of each one, and it, I... So it was me walking through a room. So I walked into my [00:15:00] childhood room, and I walked into my elementary school, and then I walked into
Cindy: High school, childhood, all of them,
Cindy: up until the hallway before this happened. And at each one, I would mirror back to other people to think about their own time,
Cindy: and things that had happened to them. But in that four months of me working on this piece, I actually was able to also, just like I'd done in the bathtub- Really then
Cindy: recognize the reasons why for myself that all of these had
Cindy: h- happened for me,
Cindy: and also see I am meant to understand those lessons and then share them out for others.
Cody: That was a really long answer for your question. No. I wanted to ask you about the play, 'cause I saw that on social media and I was like, "Wow, that's so cool and interesting, and I don't know that side of you." And,
Cody: all, like again, I can completely relate.
Cody: I think one of the best things we can do with pain is make art about it.
Cody: [00:16:00] Obviously, that's not a me thought. That's a- Yeah ... everyone in the history of time thought.
Cody: Yeah. "Wait, I have a brilliant idea. Let's take this pain and make art." Art. Yeah. Why has no one thought of this? Just kidding.
Cody: But how was it being on stage? And
Cindy: have you been on stage before? Did you act as a kid? I was- what was that like for you? Yeah. I was an actor and a singer,
Cindy: Oh, wow ... for years.
Cindy: So you've done that before? So I did it. A little piece of me that people don't know, but it was this desire of the piece of me that I'd left behind.
Cindy: So it was this collection of I need to now bring it all back, and I was like, "I don't... This is not a story." My story is not one you read in a book. My story is not one you read alone. My story is one that we feel together.
Cindy: because my story is very unique, and if I'm to share about my 365 first dates, I want you to hear about it,
Cindy: in,
Cindy: a laughable, understanding way.
Cindy: To hear about when I discovered joy by putting [00:17:00] ridiculous things in my fridge. I want you to hear about that- ... and laugh. And then when I talk about,
Cindy: Epilepsy and Bell's palsy,
Cindy: I want you
Cindy: to feel it from me.
Cindy: the... And
Cindy: this artistic space.
Cindy: and I've written, soul writing, since the age of five.
Cindy: And so I call my best friend my dear diary. I've kept diary entries since that age, some under my bed.
Cindy: So I've kept those journals, and so throughout it she would then be,
Cindy: like Morgan Freeman, and she would be reciting poetry that I'd written from the- Wow ... many of them. That's so beautiful.
Cindy: And actually, Cody, this you'll love. So I had,
Cindy: 10 years ago, 12 years ago, I had written my... Which is a crazy thing, but I had written out,
Cindy: the funeral design that I had wanted. Whoa. Long before anything.
Cindy: With,
Cindy: letters to my children. 50 letters from the ages of when they were little till they [00:18:00] were 50 wanting to make sure that if something
Cindy: could happen to me or did happen to me, that they were
Cindy: knowing that I loved them, that I was with them.
Cindy: and it just allowed me to know that,
Cindy: it was okay. That- ... then it just was gave me peace.
Cindy: And
Cindy: I know that people don't do that, but that's a feeling part of me.
Cindy: And
Cindy: I put this letter in a closet in my house, and I had then said to dear diary, my best friend, "Should anything happen, I've got all my passwords there.
Cindy: I've got all of these things, and you know exactly what I want in a funeral. You don't have to worry. It's there." The one thing I forgot in my house was that letter. Oh, my Lord. And so when I cleared out
Cindy: and
Cindy: left my house the day of my surgery, the day of everything, that was the day, the signed date that I left the house.
Cindy: So I had friends going through [00:19:00] everything. We thought that house was empty, and my realtor called and said they found one thing. They found your funeral letter. Oh my. So they're thinking like, "Oh gosh, how
Cindy: traumatic
Cody: is this?" But I'd written it 12 years ago, so these poor people like, "Oh gosh, this poor woman." They might need a clearing.
Cindy: So when I got that letter, I thought, and I read it the things written in that letter were actually like things like I'd said, "I want helping hands." Helping Hands was the letter of the website we created for everyone while going through cancer. Wow. 'Cause there were so many beautiful things created through it, that when I saw that letter, I thought, "I'm not waiting for a funeral- to have everyone I know brought into a room to hear the story of my life." Ooh. Beautiful. I need people to know I'm alive, that I'm living, this is [00:20:00] my life through my s- my
Cody: words. And I wanna be there with you- ... so you know how I've lived. That's so beautiful. I cannot imagine the energy in that room that day.
Cindy: And I called in people who I hadn't seen from elementary school, high school,
Cindy: every door- ... showed up. And the energy was so beautiful. Sorry. Why do people apologize when they cry? I know, why, right? It's so interesting. Why? I've
Cody: noticed this so many times. For some reason, people have been crying to me a lot the last couple weeks, which I love.
Cody: And everyone's apologizing, and I'm like, "Cry more." I know. "I love it." Why? "Please keep crying." I know. "Don't apologize." I know. I didn't- Oh, man ... I do call it like an orgasm for our eyes. It's a beautiful release. We need it. No, please feel free to cry. I love it.
Cody: but I'm so curious. I've never asked someone this, and I feel like I can ask you this because I do not feel about what I've been through, and maybe that's because I'm not [00:21:00] fully on the other side of it, but I don't feel that it was a gift.
Cody: I do not feel grateful- Yeah ... for it. Yes, certain things, right? Certain things, who I've become, who I've grown into, the life I have, blah, blah, all that, yes, for sure. But I find that there is this really f- phenomenal phenomenon about cancer in general where so many people feel transformed by that experience- in a very particular way. Yes. Like in a very transcendent way, and I'm curious if you've explored that, thought about that. What is it about that experience
Cody: that seems to really...
Cody: I would say a large percentage of people that live through cancer will say that it was like the best thing that ever happened to them or this gift.
Cindy: It's a common thing. It's so interesting that you say that, and even as you say it, I'm reflecting more on it.
Cindy: because...
Cindy: and I've talked to people after. I don't think about cancer,
Cindy: even now. Some people still hold the space for it, which I completely understand I have zero fear of [00:22:00] getting cancer now.
Cindy: I have zero thought of it. It doesn't hold space for me. The chronic pain I have held since before,
Cindy: of things that happened still hold a place for me. And so it's interesting that those pieces of me
Cindy: are harder for me. But they didn't enter a doorway of mortality. They still were like, "Okay, yeah you're still gonna live."
Cindy: They may be close, but you're still gonna live. This, when they say to you... And
Cindy: my oncologist sat across from me and said I can't promise you anything." Oof. And I can still see her words, 'cause even with breast cancer they do say, "You're probably gonna be okay." She sat across from me and said, "We are gonna do our best.
Cindy: We are gonna do our best to get you through the next six months, and after the next six months, I will hope to see..." 'Cause she said, I can't guarantee you anything given your [00:23:00] results." Those words give you a perspective that like, you know what? Absolutely nothing is important. Yeah.
Cindy: You're angry at a friend? Tell me.
Cindy: Your house is a mess? Don't worry Yes ... 'cause tomorrow you might get a call. That shift of knowing, like two days before that call, I was planning a trip to Europe with my kids. I had, like my whole life was
Cindy: down a different road. I had a new business. I had a new plan All of it gone.
Cindy: Yeah. I still, like when people say, I still hold the space of the old trauma, which I'm like, that's funny, I still can't quite get over that, but... Does that make sense? Totally, it does. It's something like, not that cancer ends [00:24:00] when you reach a certain point, right?
Cody: I've never experienced this, but from what I've learned, is like it does somehow feel more contained, like that there's- borders. Whereas like these more chronic things that just kinda linger and just kinda like gentle suffering, it's a little harder. I feel like it, it doesn't have that border. So I'm curious if it's, has something to do with that, but I don't know. It fascinates me because it does seem to be this really- Defined
Cody: yeah. And also popular not- Popular's not the right word, guys, but just forgive me, I can't find the right word- Yeah ...
Cody: experience that people have. And I'm like what... Is it something about cancer? Is it something about the cells?" Is it something like experiencing those cells? Who knows, man.
Cody: There's a... But it is this really interesting thing.
Cody: I'm fascinated by it. I think what's interesting, too,
Cindy: and I know before me, and people will say this in my process, I would not have thought I would have responded the way I did. I am, or was, a people pleaser. I wanted to make sure everyone is taken [00:25:00] care of.
Cindy: I want to be gentle and
Cindy: nourish everyone. And the moment I heard that news, it was as if all of my energy was like, "You take care of you." And
Cindy: it really hasn't gone back. So it was just like, you know what? This is my plan. I don't want you to say
Cindy: These are the words I want you to use if you're talking to my boys.
Cindy: If you see my boys out, you say this. If you're thinking about me, you think about me in 2026.
Cindy: cancer is th- thought of as this. I called my entire community in on a Zoom call. And I said, "Think about me in 2045. Think about me this way.
Cindy: Cancer is thought of as magic."
Cindy: ... I listed out to support my energy team in, like all my family and stuff, and then I said, "I am going to need..."
Cindy: And I knew this on day one. I don't even know how. I said, "I am going to need you as [00:26:00] pillars, because at some point, I am gonna feel so weak. When I do, I need you to energetically close your eyes and not say, 'Poor Cindy.'" Not say
Cindy: all these things. She is strong. She is capable. So I just listed it all out, and then I cocooned in and I just went and I s- just healed it, dreamt about it, saw it, weaved it in.
Cody: It was so wild. Wow. What an experience, Cindy. I know.
Cody: I'm so excited to see what you do in the next four years. I know. Or not do. Or not do. Or don't do.
Cody: you know what? I'm so excited to see how you're gonna be in the next four years.
Cody: know. How's that? How have your kids been through all of this? 'Cause I know, as a mother, that must have been challenging.
Cindy: Yeah. You know what?
Cindy: was, again, I say a it's a beautiful experience, what it can do to bring your family together. 'Cause they're [00:27:00] teenagers, right? Just to place it. Everybody might know. Yeah. My oldest is 19 now, and my youngest is almost 16.
Cindy: and this only happened January 2025. I told them together with their dad.
Cindy: We decided to share the news. So he went and brought my oldest out, and I shared it with my youngest, and then we came back together as a collective family. So even though we've been apart for 14 years, we did feel like it would be best for them to know that we could do this together. And then I held space for them, and so I told them both,
Cindy: There's no questions that will scare me.
Cindy: There's no thoughts that you don't have to have on your own." And
Cindy: sorry, when my youngest asked- No sorry. Don't apologize. Cry. Cry. When my youngest asked
Cindy: "You're gonna get, you're gonna get ugly and bald and,
Cindy: Mom, are you gonna die?" And I said, "I can't promise you, but I'm gonna do all I [00:28:00] can."
Cindy: I think it, it gave him security to know I wasn't lying to him. And then I said, "But today we start. We just are in this."
Cindy: and then they watched our community rally. And when I lost my hair, my oldest,
Cindy: was so brave, and he just said, "Let's do it, Mom," held my hand, and he shaved my head. And,
Cindy: they have just been there. We've made jokes. We've been silly. We've been whatever. And,
Cindy: now one year later, my son just surprised me for my birthday and he tattooed the date of when I was cancer-free- ...
Cindy: on his rib, and he said, "We've done it. It's sealed. One year." So it's so beautiful. They're just a beautiful souls.
Cody: Oh my God. That's amazing. And how are they doing with the move? Great. My youngest now has moved,
Cindy: so he's going to school away and comes back and forth. And my youngest loves it because h- he says,
Cindy: which is [00:29:00] very a- apparent, he says, "You are not stressed, so we are calm."
Cindy: Yeah. It's really true.
Cindy: The mother sets
Cindy: the
Cindy: tone, right?
Cindy: In the middle of it all- Yeah ... as it always is. Yeah.
Cody: This has been so beautiful to just hear everything you've been through, and I know you shared a little bit in the beginning about sort of your work now, and that there's also a lot of rest and pause, which is so beautiful. But I'm curious if there's anything that you're currently doing that you'd love to share.
Cindy: Are there ways people can connect with you and work with you? What's that looking like? Yes, I am doing a lot of rest and pause. I feel it is important for me, more than ever, to
Cindy: match what I'm sharing out so that people know that energetically I'm being
Cindy: what I am suggesting to others. 'Cause I do believe for a long time I wasn't truly in that space.
Cindy: So I do feel that now is really, it's really matching.
Cindy: So what I am offering is I
Cindy: whole self-guidance is [00:30:00] what I say. So I do believe,
Cindy: it's best if people work with me ongoing. So one session with me is really not going to be,
Cindy: the best. So I offer packages. So I typically work with people in three to five to 10,
Cindy: sessions,
Cindy: so that's it.
Cindy: And I teach energy training, so that is the two core things. And then starting in September, I am doing a seven-month course, which is already filling and I'm loving it, and it is called the Bliss Channel. So it is channeling, but not the way that we often hear. It's much quieter. So it's how do you tune into your authentic channel
Cindy: and,
Cindy: just ways for us to know that we are all channeling, we're all a frequency.
Cindy: So it's ways of knowing that you're doing it and,
Cody: it's healing the witch wound, bitch wound, and whore wound. Whoo. Yes. Yes. That's awesome. Yeah. Oh, man. I wanna talk about that a little more, if you don't mind. Yeah. Yes. I think the first way that I connected with you is I booked a session [00:31:00] with you. And Cindy is a talented mystic, as you now call yourself- ... which I love that. And how are you feeling in the energetic landscape of today? Because I feel five or whatever years ago when we first started talking, it was quite different, and now there's just more, right? There's more awareness and there's a lot of lang- very f-
Cody: to me, very fancy language and like sometimes I'm like, "You're a nervous system regulator, channel shaman, yogini, what?"
Cody: There's a lot of words. So I'm curious like how you're feeling
Cody: within all that and like what your perspective is on all that. I recognize that there's a lot of pressure for people, and that people feel a lot,
Cindy: that they want to be authentic and want to provide information, and sometimes that then means I need to give,
Cindy: enough so people know that they then are meeting with somebody who has the credentials.
Cindy: And so then it's like, "Oh they [00:32:00] are this, so therefore then I will,
Cindy: match with them."
Cindy: And so then suddenly it's like, "Oh they're only a shaman. Oh no, but this one is a da da." And,
Cindy: so we are then, because we're learning more, we're getting more, it's... Then you need to get more information,
Cindy: and so there it is.
Cindy: But ultimately, what I am landing into is the tools are quite simple. Yes. The tools are there for us. It can be very overwhelming,
Cindy: when you're suddenly trying to figure out more, and what is in my nervous system? And what eh. And now I have to drink this, and eat this, and do this, and da.
Cindy: And then it's just becoming so much pressure for us. And,
Cindy: so yes,
Cindy: when I am downloading this information from myself, I'm realizing I've been doing this... It's the same thing I've been doing for years. I try to stay away from a lot of what's happening on Instagram because it just doesn't [00:33:00] resonate with me.
Cindy: Does that make sense? Yeah, no, 100%. I don't know what everybody else is doing. I want to share a lot of the stuff that feels right with me. A lot of stuff is is sometimes a bit dark too,
Cindy: and I needed people to know that, you know what, if you're gonna do this, you're gonna have to step into some stuff that's a bit murky.
Cindy: And I don't know what the name is of it, I just know I had to sit in a tub for two weeks, and it was really icky. So this is it. I love that about you so much because you are honest. You are not someone that you're gonna book a session with and you're just gonna tell them, "You're gonna have a million dollars."
Cindy: Yeah, no. "You're gonna meet the love of your life." And that's not you. And I think the biggest thing which has maybe compromised my business, but I don't actually care, is my thing is you need to do the work, not me. Yeah. I'm not gonna tell you what you are gonna do. It's the same when I'm doing an energy training, and even when I'm [00:34:00] teaching or I'm doing a session, is it's my ego that wants to be like- Yes
Cindy: "These are all the things I felt, and this is all the things." No. Just be in the session. Actually, half this stuff doesn't even matter. It's just, we're just clearing and removing and doing things together. How do you feel? Ask the person, "How do you feel right now? Do you feel heavy? Okay, let's move this here."
Cody: But nowadays it's like we need to be the one being the almighty and the all- ... and I'm not here for that. No. I think that's why you and I resonate so much, is because I'm also not here for that either, and
Cody: I- Yeah ... that's how I approach my work as well.
Cody: I have two things to say.
Cody: One is I feel like in both of our worlds, there can be a lot of fear that comes up for people because,
Cody: they're like...
Cody: someone said to me the other day, like we were talking just a side conversation, we weren't in a session "Where do I put my altar?" And I said, "Okay. Where do you wanna put your altar?"
Cody: She's like, "I'm not sure." I said, "Okay. Sit with your home for nine days, and [00:35:00] every day, whatever, whether you journal, whatever's right for you, you and your home are gonna decide together where that altar goes," 'cause ultimately that's where that altar goes. If someone had asked me like, "Where do I put my knives?"
Cody: I have a very clear answer for where you put your knives, right? But i- if someone's asking me where I put my altar, like you have to decide that, right? Yes. And it's the same thing. It's like I appreciate this about you so much. You're not here to just
Cody: appease people or give them what they want to hear, and I think that's really brave and beautiful because I think, yes, it could compromise some things because some people wanna book an appointment with you, and they want you to give them the answers.
Cindy: Yeah. I know. Yeah. And I'm just like, it's, sorry, but no. Yeah. And but ultimately, I feel better, and those who are meant to come to me will. And we want people to, again, have agency over their body. To be able to flow stronger in their own relationships, to have... build that confidence, create that muscle where they're like, "No, I know exactly where I want [00:36:00] my own altar.
Cindy: I actually know where my towels go." I was just gonna laugh, because if you saw where my forks are in my kitchen, not anywhere where you would think they should be. And that's where- But it works for you. Yeah, people come to my kitchen, they're like, "Huh?" I'm like, "Because this is exactly where I go." "And this is where I dance."
Cindy: "And this is where I move."
Cindy: And so it works for me. And that's the thing, and I get it because I am definitely in the point in my own process, we'll say, where I can have a really strong feeling about something. Let's say it's something I really want in my life. But I still can't get fully yet to the place where I do trust that if I'm having that strong feeling, that means something.
Cindy: Where it's like, then if I book a session with an intuitive or
Cindy: someone with a credential, and they tell me the thing, I'm like, "Oh, they told me the thing. That means it's gonna happen," right?
Cindy: Like- Yeah ...
Cody: there's something in us that I don't know where this comes from, but I do think some people, not everyone, some people are there, but there is this muscle of self-trust when it comes to our intuition that builds over time and over experience, yeah. And I think this course is, or [00:37:00] this portal is, we have these, these wounds. They're not from this life. A wound sounds terrible, but
Cindy: not that. It's the awareness that the witch wound is within all of us. Yes. Not to say we are all a witch, but it is from a time where
Cindy: we have blocked our own intuition.
Cindy: And so the more we can actually be aware of that, how many times do we say even the word woo, right? No, understanding that, leaning into it. And so each person, "Okay. Wow, how did I do that? Why am I uncomfortable sharing that? Why am I uncomfortable?" Opens their own access for themselves and their own channel.
Cindy: This does not mean that they are then going to become this person of that, but how do they channel when they cook? How do they channel- ... when they speak? And then the bitch wound is the people pleaser within you. Okay. Wow, how do I open that space? And the whore wound is sensuality. How do we actually create a space of being in my... How am I being with my body? Which is the biggest space of femininity. And when we access this all, oh-[00:38:00]
Cody: We've become- I wanna
Cindy: do this course. Yeah. This sounds right up my alley. It's so good, right? We're gonna put the link in the show notes everybody. Yes. Yes. Do you have a limit here? Like- No. Okay. And and honestly, it's the first time I closed my eyes and I downloaded it. It took me about three months of me just going wait, So it's based on this fall equinox to the spring.
Cindy: it's every week we come together- ... and just be- I'm in, Cindy. Sign me up- I know ... really. I do. No, I'm serious. I'm 100% serious. I know. So it's all on Zoom. I know, and that's what everyone is, because it's the first time I'm like, "This is it." It's really cool. It's very clear. It's hitting all those
Cindy: I'm gonna call them pain points, right?
Cindy: Yeah. The pain points that maybe we identify a little stronger with one or the other, but all... I believe that probably most, not everybody, there's no all, but many women are going to feel- Yes ... when you say those words- ... whore, bitch, witch, like- ... there is going to [00:39:00] be resonance there. Yes. And
Cindy: like the idea of unraveling them together, 'cause I think they're probably all dancing together in some- They're dancing together
Cindy: circle around a fire somewhere. And it's Halloween, right? Yeah. it can feel a bit uncomfortable, but it's doing it within the seasons. 'Cause what I've been noticing is, for myself, is I'm not meant to be on all days of the month. If we even look at our cycles, right? To be like, "Wow, why is it that I'm wanting to be more productive these three days?
Cindy: And these two days I actually wanna go inward."
Cody: And when we start to really notice that within ourselves, we actually are even energetically healthier and better with ourselves. And that's with those wounds, too. Yeah, totally. And there's something large... not larger, but there's a layer here that I wanna add, which I talk about so much, which is in, I believe it was late 2023, early 2024, I can't remember the exact timing, maybe February 2024, we shifted into period nine from period eight in the,
Cindy: Chinese [00:40:00] cosmology sector of the world.
Cindy: And period eight was very masculine and very much think Amazon, think all these big conglomerates that came. It was a very push, capital go energy, and now we're in what we call the rise of the middle-aged woman. And I'm seeing it. Let's see. I'm seeing it so much.
Cindy: Things like beauty coming back, and not just beauty like putting on makeup, which I have no problem with, but just deep beauty and appreciation for beauty.
Cindy: Yeah. Beauty as a tenant that you live by. Beauty and all of this,
Cindy: it's rising, right? It's coming back into power. You see it all around us. And so in order for that to fully flourish, there has to be a clearing, and that's what you're talking about. It's like you cannot be fully in that energetic of period nine in the middle-aged woman,
Cindy: who is juicy and deep and doesn't, doesn't please when it's not appropriate, unless you've cleared those wounds.
Cindy: Exactly. Yeah. And that's what I think truly happened, was for me... And I know there's still more.
Cindy: I'm not an idiot. I'm not- No one's ever healed until we're dead. [00:41:00] But I do see like honestly like the shedding of my hair, the releasing of it, going like I have to go back to complete raw. And interesting, right?
Cindy: Releasing my chest. Yeah. How much more raw do you get? I lost a colon, so I get it. You get it. Anytime you lose a body part, it's pretty intense. Yeah. It's so intense. Like you just are like, "Okay, here we go." Yeah. Here we go. It's a different way to walk in the world. Yeah. Oh, man.
Cody: Ugh, let's just take a moment here together, 'cause I feel like that was just a whole thing. Thank you, Cindy. This was such a pleasure, and I love connecting with you. I'm serious that I will be joining this course. Oh, so excited. And I just wanna give you a little space, like a little space at the end here if there's anything coming up for you. Don't rush. You have time. Anything else you wanna share?
Cindy: The floor is yours. I feel like this is where I like go into song. No place like- I didn't know you were an actor. That's a whole new level that we [00:42:00] can nerd out together. Time for the circus. Just kidding.
Cody: no, that was so great. Yeah. And,
Cindy: just,
Cindy: love connecting, love to be able to just go deep, go wherever.
Cindy: I think that's part of this journey as well, and I just love
Cody: be in space with you, so thank you. Yeah. It's really beautiful to witness each other in this way, and I'm so distracted by the beautiful flowers behind you. Oh. There's a real like blooming rose
Cody: Bu- like thing happening that is- Oh.
Cody: I've been looking at it the whole time. Like this is
Cody: I can already feel that this home that you're in is so reflective of you because this little corner that I'm looking at- Yeah ... like really feels so in alignment with how you were just speaking. Oh, thank you. So that's super cool.
Cody: All right, everybody, I will put in down below here all the ways to connect with Cindy.
Cody: I hope you'll join us, 'cause I'm coming, in this course. Yes. It sounds just so phenomenal. And yeah, Cindy, don't go away. We'll say goodbye, but I'll say goodbye to
Cody: all of you friends.
Cody: You one friend that I'm talking to. Bye.
Cody: [00:43:00] Okay, feng shui time. So recently I've noticed a trend, which is that people tend to come to me when they are in the middle of some sort of transition, and I think this is not just me. I think this is very common in terms of when feng shui finds you, because this is truly my story as well, right? We have this innate sense when our life starts to shift that our environment needs to shift as well.
Cody: So today, I just wanna give you five quick things you can do in your space if you're in the middle of a major life shift or even a minor one. So think seasonal, going from summer to fall, or divorce in a more major sense, or your kids leaving for college, or something with your health, or even just, changing your wardrobe, feeling a new style coming in.
Cody: There's a lot of ways that we're constantly changing, and the energy of our home is responding to that. So here's five ways you can start to really engage with the energy of your space when you're going through a time of transition. One is going to be [00:44:00] go through your closet. Now, this is something I wanna say.
Cody: I do this intentionally. So what I do is at the end of the summer, I put away my summer clothes, and I bring out my winter clothes. And at the end of the winter, I put away my winter clothes, and I bring out the summer clothes. Why am I telling you this? Because for me, it's a built-in go through your wardrobe moment.
Cody: I don't think I have the personality that it's just gonna be like, "I'm gonna go through my clothes today." So for me, it really helps to have these bookends where, first of all, it's really fun because when you bring out the winter wardrobe, it's "Oh my God, I forgot about you, sweater that I love so much."
Cody: And second, it really gives you this opportunity to be like, "I did not wear this thing once this past summer, and I probably didn't wear it once the previous summer, so as much as I might wish that I wore it, reality is telling me it's time to say goodbye to that thing." So I love kind of the built-in changeover that happens when you have a seasonal setup in your closet.
Cody: Okay, two, take a look at the art on your [00:45:00] wall and make some adjustments. So this could be really simple, like you take everything down for 72 hours and then just put it right back up, just giving yourself, your walls and yourself some perspective and some space to breathe. Or perhaps you start to move things around a little bit.
Cody: When we change what we see changes. So it's a really great practice to just not allow the art in our home to get really stagnant and to kinda mix it up. This can be a little bit challenging, so let me know how you feel about that. Number three, I am going to talk about it. Seasonal decor.
Cody: I... Listen, I didn't do seasonal decor for a really long time because I really wasn't living in a space that was, I thought was conducive to that. But I have really embraced seasonal decor since moving into our house, and I think it's actually really an interesting way to work with the energy of what's actually happening in the world and to get in tune with the natural shifts that are happening outside of your door.
Cody: So this doesn't have to be the [00:46:00] way I do it. Personally, I change what's on our mantle. I change what's at our front door in terms of the doormat, the wreath, those kinds of things. And then I just kinda start to shift some things in general around the house, like maybe I wanna put away a very summery throw blanket and bring something out that's more fall if I have that option.
Cody: Maybe I'm on the hunt for a new pillow, or maybe I'm changing the centerpiece on our dining table, that kinda thing. You don't have to make this a big deal. It could really be something as simple as one throw pillow or lighting more candles as the weather gets cooler and lightening things up as the weather gets warmer.
Cody: But just to bring this energy of shifting with the seasons in can be a powerful way that your home can get the message that we are changing, too And while we're at the front door, let's just say a front door zhuzh is never a bad idea. So if you've just gone through something challenging in your life, or if you're just calling in a new season, giving your front door some love is a really wonderful [00:47:00] move.
Cody: This can be very simple. It can be sweeping around your front door. If you live in an apartment, you're gonna just wipe down your front door. I love a little salty mixture if you have a wooden door allows for that. Just really cleansing and clearing the energy of what is entering your life is a wonderful way to mark the end of one chapter and the beginning of another.
Cody: And finally, I would take a look around for anything that is broken or just not functioning or, chipped mugs. These sorts of energies that are communicating struggle within our home can really hold us in that frequency of having a hard time with whatever change is happening in our life. So making sure there aren't a lot of squeaky doors or clogged drains or items that you might fix one day, but let's face it, you're probably not gonna get around to fixing them.
Cody: So yeah, those are my five tips. I think those are really simple and practical ways to get started working with the energy of your space when you're going through a change in your life. Now, what do I [00:48:00] got going on this fall? So if you're listening to this in real time, Monday, September 28th, I am having a free event called The Secret Life of Clutter.
Cody: Now, this is going to be really a masterclass around what is the meaning of our stuff when it comes to feng shui. So what does, quote unquote, "clutter" mean in our house? What might it be trying to communicate to us? When is clutter actually an intelligent solution to an issue you didn't know you or your house had?
Cody: And what are some strategies that we can use to really understand how we like to live and how to get our environment supportive of the life we're wanting to live? So if you wanna join me there, it's free. It's on Monday, the 28th of September, and the link is in the show notes. I still have some spaces open in my calendar starting in late October.
Cody: So if you're ready to jump into a one-on-one process with me, go ahead and book a free chat, and we will talk about whether or not that makes sense. All right, my friends, thank you so much. Thank [00:49:00] you, Cindy, and I'll see you soon. Bye.